Tuesday, 7 November 2017

The Darker Side of Dungeons & Dragons

     I'm sure by now, most of you have heard the name "Dungeons & Dragons". On the surface, it's a game of the imagination, governed by strict rules, and played with dice, maps, and miniatures. Under the surface however, lies the allure of the occult, the temptation to escape from reality, and the desire for power.
     It's played by taking the role of an elf, dwarf or other likewise creature from pagan mythology, determining their weaknesses and strengths using special dice, and questing for fame, money, and magical prowess. This is facilitated by the aptly named "Dungeon Master", a person who tells the story in which the players are to act.
     As though fantasizing, about conjuring fireballs and summoning elemental spirits wasn't bad enough, the overriding goal of this game seems to be about exploring this or that fantasy world while killing as many monsters as possible. This is rewarded with imaginary gold, weapons (conceivably for more killing), and "Experience Points", which once a player has enough, can add to their overall power within the occult-like game world.
     Magic is an inextricable facet of the game. Murdering with it, lusting after it, and hording it, end up being the primary ways in which magic is used in the game. This brush with the occult can, and has had severe consequences for many people, but the game and it's creators have done little to dissuade this aspect of the game, even going so far as to name actual demons, and list their abilities and attitudes.


     Use of the occult, depictions of demons and undead, scantily clad women, pagan gods, and the killing of anything or anyone in your way; all these things and more Dungeons & Dragons employs to tempt young and old minds alike away from reality.
     There's no doubt that for the last few years, Dungeons & Dragons has become more normalized than it was in previous decades. Many in "Hollyweird" have come out to say that they played the influential game when they were kids, and these announcements are usually followed by torrent of likes, shares and comments, all welcoming the celebrity into the fold. It's a cult like attitude pervasive amongst the game's players.
     Whatever the case may be, it cannot be said that fantasizing about killing, praying to pagan gods, and playing at black magic is at all normal for a healthy mind, and certainly it is not to be recommended. As a parent, if your children play Dungeons & Dragons, it would be best to advise them of the pitfalls, and educate them as to how the game can influence them negatively.
    
      In this series of articles, I will explore historical accounts of homicides wherein D&D was found to be a factor, the dangers of becoming involved with the game, and how role-playing video games differ in concept and intention from D&D. I will also take a look at particular game publishers, and discuss how they add to or address the problems associated with role-playing games and the occult.

171 comments:

  1. Your arguments are flawed to say the least. Actions can be evil, not thoughts. D&D doesn't force one to think a certain way about things, it encourages players to open their mind, think critically, and use one imagination... 3 things I think you could use a little work on.

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    1. Problem is people like him want to force others to think as he does. For you see he has no real power, people like that only feel powerful when they dominate others
      Which in reality they weak, pitiful, sad losers.

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    2. Evil evil SEX demons! Got your attention? Lawful Good! There is an RPG that is truly evil. It's called Back to the Dungeon RPG on DriveThruRPG! It actually calls forth ritual blood sacrifices and actual mythological demons! Don't even look at it or read it! This game must be stopped! Beware of Back to the Dungeon RPG! Exploit the Exploiters!

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    3. But thanks for the recommendation; it sounds fun.

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    4. Yeah! D&D maybe might be affiliated broadly, and generally with one or two loosely homicides, that may or may not have had an actual correlation to gaming. Better stock up on guns, because that is MUCH safer! Good thing we have thoughts and prayers for all the gun victims!

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    5. Also, the author of this is dangerously stupid, hateful, spiteful, and an uneducated troglodyte. Proceed with caution everyone!

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    6. Dungeons and Dragons can also be an excellent team building excersize, as the players usually must work together to solve problems and sometimes riddles.

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    7. "Gun victims"? WTF is a gun victim? Guns didn't cause the violence, a terribly unbalanced idiot did.

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  2. So what is it? Fishing for blog comments or new Troll Account and Blogger username?

    Surely the resurgence of Stranger Things did not also resurrect this craze too form yonder times?

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  3. I look forward to your 17 trillion part article that outlines homicides where religion was found to be a factor.

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    1. HAHA, you so beat me to it! i was going to say the same thing. That and how there is this terrible book called "The Bible" filled with vengeful gods and wrathful demonic angles that make the reader believe in magical "prayers" that are powered by blood sacrifices. Etc. This guy is a tool... nope a toolbag... nope, and empty tool bag.

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    2. Banned by most churches in the Bible Belt! There is an RPG that is truly evil. It's called Back to the Dungeon RPG on DriveThruRPG! It actually calls forth ritual blood sacrifices and actual mythological demons! Don't even look at it or read it! This game must be stopped! Beware of Back to the Dungeon RPG!

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  4. So, Stranger Things revives 80s horror stuff, and this guys decides to try to revive 80s nonsensical anti-occult preaching.
    Needs to get wackier, and it probably will.

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  5. Did you copy and paste this from an article from 35 years ago? How come you are just picking on D&D? They're are 100s of Role Playing Games out there now that do the same thing. These games are a release from our stress not an entrance to some imaginary cult.

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  6. I never laughed so hard reading this. You are really very funny.

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  7. I have played Dungeons and Dragons since I was 11-12 years old, I am now 50. The game has never once 'made me' think about an evil act, hurt someone or take advantage of them. Quite the opposite it has made me more empathetic and able to look at problems and issues from a variety of angles thus allowing me a greater chance of understanding. You seem to have a skewed and flawed logic regarding this issue, but each to their own I'm just a little sad that you peddle your opinion as fact. It amazes me that you avoid the vast amount of evidence that points toward the benefits of roleplaying from a psychological perspective and its use in the treatment of A.S.D for example. It must be good to live in such rarefied air and confidently pontificate your fearful ideals to any who will listen. Have a nice day and I truly hope that you gain an enlightened perspective at some stage soon. Good luck to you.

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    1. you are rewarded much more for doing good, and acting honorably, the game is slanted that way. If it "makes you think" anything, it is about doing good

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    2. Hear hear! I was introduced to AD&D in high school. back then, I was diagnosed with a learning disorder & tossed into the BOCES program, which at that time was basically an 'alternative' to juvie hall (i.e, it wasn't a black-mark on your permanent record). The brightest of us were allowed an extra lunch-period & allowed to use the Science classroom, while being overwatched by the science teachers.
      The game taught us many positive things; acceptance of other races & religions, teamwork, tactical thinking, and on-the-fly problem solving. Even after graduating, I kept up with the game until I changed my tastes, going back to my first love, sci-fi. I've made many friendships that have lasted more than 20+ years & expanded into other similar interests. Not *once* have a I had any predilection toward the insane stereotypical BS that this 'article' espouses. And I know practicing Satanists. Wonderful people. They throw a magnificent non-alcoholic NYE party every year (the couple are recovering alcoholics & have several children).

      I myself am in a healthy relationship, a good job & good friends. My political and/or religious affiliations are no-one's business but my own.

      To the ones who wrote the original article, you have only what is required from me; my sympathies for limiting yourselves so egregiously, my pity for doing so willingly, and the view of my back as I walk away to join the rest of the more evolved & enlightened of humanity.

      I bid you all a good day.

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  8. nevermind that all that magic and power is usually used in attempts to save the world from evil forces.

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    1. Role playing games aren't evil, but Hasbro might be. Try being a game designer when that company takes an interest.

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  9. Oooo. Look! Click bait! How many hits has this tired trope snared for you?
    Tell you what, if you want to besmirch my beloved game, might I suggest doing so ad a discussio? I am always up for fighting battles my people already won ages ago.

    Roll well, my friend
    +Ed The Bard

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  10. This couldn't be more accurate. As an ex DND addict, I can confirm that I almost lost my life, job, friends, wife, kids, dog, car and pizza due to a cult that tried to sacrifice me irl.

    I thought it was just a game, boy, I was so wrong.

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    1. Sounds more like you failed as an adult.

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    2. LOL.
      If you want to be evil, you're not going to sit around playing a fucking nerd game with other nerds.
      You join or make a RELIGION.

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    3. show so respect. the man lost his PIZZA! oh and the author's avatar is a palladin.
      ha ha ha.

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    4. You have defined the term "loser". Congratulations. D&D addict??? Blame something for your mental weakness. Are you fat as well??? Do you have zits all over your face? Did you have a gf in high school? Do you live in your mother's basement? You are an idiot and a moron. That is all you will ever be...

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    5. I detect just a tiny hint of sarcasm here.

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    6. So sorry you lost your pizza. (He's teasing, everybody)

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    8. It was I that ate your pizza and it was I that drank your soda!

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    9. Listen to lots of country music backwards and it will all come back to you. ;)

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  11. I am assuming this buzz marketing for a new D&D game, but if it isn't, I remember the stories you are referring to and your arguments about the game have long been debunked.

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  12. The 1980's called, and they want their Specious Reasoning back.

    You're getting it all greasy, with your Cheetohs stained fingers.

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    1. "Specious Reasoning"...wasn't that the last of those little books in the ODD rule supplements? LOL

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  13. I laughed at "named actual demons and lists their attitudes and attributes".

    As if actual demons exist lol.

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    1. It sort of implies that the author might know just a little TOO MUCH about "actual demons"...

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  14. 1980 called; they want their hysteria back. Seriously, dude, no one takes these claims seriously anymore. Millions of people worldwide have played RPG's of some kind and "evil" hasn't taken over the world. Religion causes far more harm in a single day than D&D has in its entire existence. Just look at the numbers.

    Oh and you might want to take an introductory writing class, too.

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  15. Lol.too funny,this blogger predictably comments something totally absurd about D&D and expects to get into a big discussion about it.truth is everyone who has ever played it know how fun and harmless it is,it takes a few religious nutjobs to misinforme the public about the dangers of the game to try to ruin a good thing.well done sir.

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  16. PH’NGLUI MGLW’NAFH CTHULHU R’LYEH WGAH’NAGL FHTAGN

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    1. Roll for sanity at a negative 50 please.

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    2. Great! Now we're all screwed! Ya just HAD to say it. May as well call out the King in Yellow now!

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    3. Elder gods - Old Ones! HA! Buncha malarky!
      HASTUR!
      HASTUR!
      HASTUR!
      See! Nothing happ.....

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    4. Great the blog awoken the Elder Gods. Great....

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    5. You mean playing RPGs hasn't prepared you to serve them? tsk ;)

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    6. Dude, why? You just made my dog pee the carpet with that spell! I read it again and peed my pants... What happens if I read it a third time?

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  17. I've been playing D&D since 1980 and if I had not gotten involved in it back then I fear I may have had a much worse outcome in life. Growing up in a house hold where my mother was unfortunate enough to attrack men who liked to beat her and verbally abuse me it was D&D that kept me going on the days I wasn't allowed to or couldn't leave the house. You see most of them wouldn't hit her when I was around and she thought I didn't know it was happening. Yes there may be killing in D&D but it is layed out so that you are the hero and are fighting against the evil. Very rarely do pkayers choose to play an evil character. Most GMs also do not allow it unless it is part of the storey hook. The social lessens within the stories and reading the modules laying out expected reactions are what taught me to observe my surroundings and see the normalized behaviour of those currently around me. It is that ability that kept me going in highschool. Never really felling I completely belonged but finding ways to contribute in every circumstance. I staged my first protest against someone of authority in grade 10 and it was completely peaceful. My demands were not unreasonable and I just started grabbing people as they entered the school that had a hat on telling them of the new VPs new rule. See before this new VP we wre always allowed to wear our hats in the halls of the school and not in class. I had no problem with that as taking your hat off in class shows you willing to listen and respect what is about to be taught. In the halls though is where we could express and be ourselves. All I did was organize an impromptu sit in. It only took till attendance was handed in an gone through for first period for them to notice something must be wrong with so many kids not in class. You see I was able to get about a quarter of the school to sit with me. The principal came and asked what we were doing. I told him what happened. He saud we could wear our hats in the halls still and we could go back to class. Nobody will be marked absent. It was the foundation of the stories of D&D and people banding together for a cause that showed me what could happen. I choose a peaceful way as I know it is a much more effective and relatable way to express yourself. It was also inclusive as everyone can participate in a sit in if able to get to the school. My first life lesson rhe people together have the power to make change. I have taken on orher causes since and never have they been violent in nature. I'm in no way saying I'm not capable of violence or violent thoughts but it is the social aspects of D&D and the opportunity to resolve things without violence first that has taught me to go there and be successful at doing so.

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  18. Seriously go fuck yourself with your anti-D&D bullshit. We're not going through this shit again.

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  19. Overslept again. Is it April 1 already!?

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  20. Like Gary Gygax said, "The magic in these books is as real as the gold. Try retiring on that shit."

    If you want to write a REAL arrival, instead of just regurgitating 35 year old inaccuracies, go out and meet the people who play. Sit down with them. Go to a game store on D&D night and actually spend four hours of your life researching your subject. I've been playing D&D since 1979 and the only evil I've ever encountered is people like you; who persecute and judge with absolute zero first-hand knowledge.

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  21. Sounds like you were never invited to play and now are a little upset at it. Pretty easy to see right through this silly little article you wrote. Say - let's try to tackle real issues and adult oriented topics, or would that just be too much work? D & D is just fun and a way for people to use their imagination. Off to be with you, clearly you get cranky when you stay up too late writing blogs.

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  22. In segment of game hobby arena, RPG games account for $35,000,000. In my opinion, your rant is equivalent to closing the barn door after the horses left; go find something more productive to argue about like gun control.

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  23. There are no words in the english language that can describe how asinine this article and subsequently your crusade is. Your argument is misinformed and i suggest you talk to players about the subject matter which you clearly do not know or understand.

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  24. Oh my gosh! Patricia Pulling...is that you? You're STILL Bothered About Dungeons & Dragons?

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  25. Aight, Im a Christian, studying to be a preacher, play D&D, and have never once been enticed to murder my friends to Satan or anything.

    Now I do appreciate how you state education on how to keep your kids on the right path. Its not a conversation many wish to have. However, I would caution lumping things in to a big pot because they could have occult origins or could be used for delinquence. This is a consistant task amd could apply to everything from driving to watching Elmo. Look at Peppa Pig for crying out loud!

    My advice, chill, roll some dice, and see that it isnt bad for you and that it can be used as a teaching method for social and mental development.

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  26. Also, if you ever wished to play, I would be more than happy to work to arrange a game.

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  27. Will you be exploring how religion has a negative effect on the mind and human advancement? Will you be listed all the crimes and murders where religion was a direct factor in the commitement of the act? Or mention that talking to a someone who's not actually there might be a sign of mental illness? Or will you be talking about the fact that you judge others for not sharing your beliefs, a concept that you can't even prove is true, when it is clearly said in said belief that it is forbidden to judge others?

    In short, what I want to know is will you at any point stop being a hypocrite?

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  28. Ha ha you stupid twat..D&D evil. Ha ha ha ha. Thats right im laughing at your stupidity.

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  29. Apparently someone opened a time capsule of idiotic things from the 80's because that's where this blog article belongs right next to "Dark Dungeons" from Chick Publications and other idiocy like it.

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  30. How ignorant can you be? Oh no, the game made me do it. With that thinking you shouldnt read about Nazis or the Crusades either.

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  31. Posting about evil with a knight as the prifile picture. Nope, knights never killed or murdered innocents.

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  32. This is a load of drivel, filled with false claims. I have played D&D for over 40 years and none of what you said even reaches fact or reality. As a Catholic I am appalled at the lies and false statements of you post. I am sick of every time some one doesn't like or understand something it is suddenly evil. It is sickening how you without any knowledge or experience cast judgement on millions of people. To make such claims ignores two commandments, thou shalt not lie and thou shall not bear false witness. Maybe you should sit in judgement of yourself instead of starting problems where there are none. This world has many problems, yet D&D or any other role playing game isn't one of them.

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  33. The “satanic panic”ended with the Reagan administration, my friend. DND is just a game, we are just friends who get together for fun, and there is nothing evil about it.

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  34. Well this guy needs to check out innroadsministries.com They use DnD to help build relationships inside and outside of the church.. This is nonsense.

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  35. Your witch hunt has already been proven false over 20 years ago. You need to do some research rather then spread old lies & myths. Shame on you sir.

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  36. Wait a minute, this is your first blog post. You’re trolling and getting attention by attacking our favorite game.

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  37. I am amazed that this dated information is worthy of anyone effort to publish it again!! Love life have fun and play GAMEs.. DND is just that a fun game. It bring people together to have fun. It involves good old fashioned interaction with people.. It creates a sense of well being and an escape from reality. I see little difference to a superhero film. I don't see protest outside a Spiderman film as it is cultist and it is evil. Stop publishing drivel

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  38. I still have a copy somewhere of the scare tactics pamphlet of the 1980s... sad... so sad... and funny... thump that bible... maybe while you're at it... preach about something that actively kills every day in the United States... guns.

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  39. You say, "... Whatever the case may be, it cannot be said that fantasizing about killing, praying to pagan gods, and playing at black magic is at all normal for a healthy mind, and certainly it is not to be recommended. ..."

    Well... that's exactly what you're doing... imagining all these kids wanting to kill people... They aren't. They are playing a game. It is you with the sick mind. Seek help.

    I repeat... Seek help.

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  40. There is an RPG that is truly evil. It's called Back to the Dungeon RPG on DriveThruRPG! It actually calls forth ritual blood sacrifices and actual mythological demons! Don't even look at it or read it! This game must be stopped! Beware of Back to the Dungeon RPG!

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  41. @Thomas Elder FFS, enough already. I thought that this whole 'scandal' of moral corruption with D&D had wrapped up already; the last person I can remember making these accusations passed away in 1994. You sound like a damned fool, are you not embarrassed casting aspersions like a fundamentalist biddy?

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  42. This is a joke right? Couldn't wait until April Fools Day?

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  43. Christianity has caused more fear, persecution, hatred and death than any game could hope to inspire. Before casting stones, look into your own affairs.

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  44. If you were really on a "A mission to discover and inform on the secret evils of the world." you should have started with Politics, then Religion, then Finance, then Capitalism, Communism, well, the list goes on, as they say. Christianity is responsible for far more deaths, prejudice, and evil than any RPG ever was. You're a misguided person who clearly has no understanding of what evil really is or how much it permeates our world.

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  45. First of all, for someone intent upon preventing the spread of evil in the world, you certainly hand-picked the illustrations that accompany your blog post. I think those images would foster more evil, as those misguided souls you attracted with your click-bait might use a reverse image search to find a clearer picture and gather more images to masturbate to.

    Secondly, I notice this is your first blog post. This lends credence to the concept that you're just recycling this old and disproved argument to stir the pot and get likes from the fundamentalist idiot crowd.

    Third, as has been pointed out by other comments, listing murders where D&D is a factor would be a lot less productive than listing murders where other crimes were a factor. Or, where sports or politics were a factor. Or where poverty and drug use were a factor. And let's not forget that, historically speaking, more murders have been committed because of racial and religious intolerance than due to dice-rolling games that require people to think.

    Fourth, you targeted D&D, most likely because it's the only role-playing game popular enough to ensure people read your blog, especially since it was already associated with the 'satanic panic' of the 80's. But there are no doubt a host of other games whose content might be closer to the material you're trying to blacklist. For example, In Nomine is a game where players take the roles of angels and demons; Call of Cthulhu is a game where 'elder gods' arise and spread their contamination over the Earth; several White Wolf games (such as Vampire: The Masquerade and Werewolf: The Apocalypse) have the players wrestle with the darkness in their souls. I am sure that someone who did any research at all might uncover a better target than D&D, where the emphasis is on defeating evil, not becoming it.

    Lastly, and this is I think an important point, you state that the game is bad because it 'names demons and their powers'. How can someone fight against an evil if they don't know what it is or what it is capable of? By your logic, every priest or minister, and anyone who is a devout student of religion, has been tainted with evil, because through their studies they have learned what this evil is capable of.

    I conclude that this blog post is either pure click-bait, or else written by someone who is either incredibly naive or astoundingly ignorant. Next time, do some research before attempting to give yourself some relevance.

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  46. You haven't a clue what you are talking about. I came up with the links below in 5 minutes of searching. If you can’t be bothered to do real research on Dungeons & Dragons, please stop spreading lies about it.

    • Therapists Are Using Dungeons & Dragons To Get Kids To Open Up: https://kotaku.com/therapists-are-using-dungeons-dragons-to-get-kids-to-1794806159
    • How Dungeons & Dragons Probably Saved My Life: https://nowloading.co/p/dungeons-and-dragons-depression/4203032
    • All the Ways Dungeons and Dragons Can Prepare You For Real Life: https://lifehacker.com/all-the-ways-dungeons-and-dragons-can-prepare-you-for-r-1788651635
    • DUNGEONS & DRAGONS AS THERAPY: https://geekandsundry.com/dungeons-dragons-as-therapy/
    • Slaying the demons of 'Dungeons & Dragons': https://www.theverge.com/2014/8/18/6027647/slaying-the-demons-of-dungeons-dragons
    • How “Dungeons & Dragons” saved my autistic son: https://www.salon.com/2014/04/15/how_dungeons_dragons_saved_my_autistic_son_partner/
    • Everything I Need to Know I Learned from Dungeons & Dragons: One Woman's Quest to Trade Self-Help for Elf-Help: https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Need-Learned-Dungeons-Dragons/dp/0786957751

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  47. The 1980's called. They want their anti-D&D rant back.

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  48. For you to write this idiotic post must truly reflect how shitty your life is....what do you want to target next with your rants? Improvised theater? Live theater? Playwrights? Authors? The saddest part is that you are so entrenched in ignorance that you'll never see how flawed your post is.

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  49. Ignorance like this has been giving games a bad name for so many years. I thought we had finally moved past these ridiculous allegations. If it’s not for you then move along, but don’t condemn an entire group based on a few isolated crazy people. Don’t we hear enough of that in the NEWS.

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  50. Everyone needs to track down the 100% true documentary "Mazes And Monsters", which tells the actual true story of when Tom Hanks went crazy from playing D&D. This is why Tom Hanks stopped acting back in the 1980s,and no one has seen him since. It's true, I swear!

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  51. As a stalwart Christian.... I've played D&D well over 30 years. I've yet to join a cult....and my D&D 'cult' doesn't really seem to go anywhere but my place to have fun and enjoy each others company.
    There are sooo many other RPGs (role playing games) that could be picked on because they actually delve into the occult and espouse very strange things, CoC anyone?

    This blog-author doesn't realize that the majority of the time the players are trying to vanquish evil and help those who can't help themselves (poor villagers).
    It's such a bizarre extrapolation these days to villainize D&D considering the evidence has vastly been showing the contrary, to the things the author of this article believes D&D leads to.

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  52. jeez thomaselder79 i hope you never read about the history of the templar knights, whom you seem to enjoy role playing

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  53. Playing D&D is no more sinful than pretending Pat Robertson to get attention.

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  54. WOW - just about every aspect of your article is simply untrue. First, it has nothing to do with Paganism. (and I doubt you even know what Paganism is - since there are no dwarves or elves in pagan religion) - D&D is nothing more than a player (yes, called the dungeon master) telling a fantasy story in which the players are participants. Ive been playing off and on since 1983 with literally hundreds of different players and not once has anything carried over into the real world. The author is a moron.

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  55. Thank you so very much for helping to make D&D satanic again.......it was during the Satanic Panic that I loved playing it the most.....due to the opposition. I can't say enough how wonderfully wrong you are due to your "Christian" "Desert Death Cult" ideas....D&D has helped to bring me back to my roots and discover who I am......and not to follow that twisted cult that comes from that desert land in Israel.

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  56. We have already seen this show before... bored now
    https://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/physician-heal-thyself/

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  57. Oh the irony of having a crusader as your avatar. There's a lot of real evil in the world, D&D isn't one of those things.....

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  59. Killing your way to what you want and using magic? You're talking about the Old Testament, right?

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  62. I’m a Christian. I️ play the game with my family (I’m the DM). I️ was also a practitioner of witchcraft. But I️ started playing D&D after that. I️ also never played a wizard or mage of any kind. While I️ understand why you’re posting this article I️ believe that it’s based in ignorance. And as a proof of your ignorance I’ll ask you, have you ever played D&D or Pathfinder or Shadowrun or The 13th Age or ANY OTHER Table Top rpg? Ever?

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  63. What a fucking bell end

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  64. Satan just tried to rape me! There is an RPG that is truly evil. It's called Back to the Dungeon RPG on DriveThruRPG! It actually calls forth ritual blood sacrifices and actual mythological demons! Don't even look at it or read it! This game must be stopped! Beware of Back to the Dungeon RPG! Shameless plug!

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  65. You've never actually played D&D have you?

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  66. LOL.... I have been waiting for decades for the return of the 'Satanic Panic'. What a doofus.

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  67. I am a Christian, and I play D&D. How you ask? Because I am smart enough to know what separates fantasy from reality. So as you can see, your argument is invalid.

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  68. What a lovely satire. If you really wanted to see what pure evil looked like you should have been there in 1981 when many churches tried to blame D&D for their children's mental health issues.

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  69. Fucking snore....

    If you are gonna do this at least wow me. All the ills in the world today and DnD is your target? Keep swinging buddy, keep swinging.

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  70. I find your arguments wanting...and profoundly lacking in factual information. What I find here is nothing more than the the words of someone republishing whatever the organized religions put out when the game was released nearly 40 years ago. Please update your information and reconsider your arguments; they will not fall on deaf ears if you actually share something new and noteworthy.

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  71. From reading the blog, I guess this is going to be a 'series of one' as pretty much what he wishes to cover has already been debunked.

    "In this series of articles, I will explore historical accounts of homicides wherein D&D was found to be a factor, the dangers of becoming involved with the game, and how role-playing video games differ in concept and intention from D&D."

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  72. Wow, du er sgu da dummere end en tom pakke havregryn!

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  73. Asmodeus approves this post!

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  74. Forgive me, but this is opinion based in fear and religious zealotry. Your views of "the occult" are your own, and belief does not translate to fact. These baseless arguments are decades old, and as D&D celebrates nearly 45 years of fantasy and wonder, the absurd scare-mongering of the 80s has never come to pass. It's time to step off your soapbox and move on.

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  75. What you describe as the "point" of your series of articles proving the evil of D&D (laughable at best but most likely just troll bait since none of your points are any more valid now than when they were originally made 30 some odd years ago) would be better aimed at modern politics. Replace D&D with any Senator, Congressmen or even the Doofus in Charge and now you've got a topical issue with some meat on the bone.

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  76. sadly this asshat will never read these comments as he thinks himself above his own bullshit. I do agree with many comments go out and learn what you are condemning before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

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  77. The 80s are calling...they want their conspiracy theory back.

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  78. Stop. Just stop. It wasn't true in the 1980s, it's not true now.

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  79. https://kotaku.com/therapists-are-using-dungeons-dragons-to-get-kids-to-1794806159

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  80. Hi! I would like to make you aware that most, if not all, of your arguments are wrong.

    As far as I can see, D&D, and other role playing games, are not a whole lot different from the old "Choose Your Own Adventure" line of books. I have been playing various kinds of Role Playing Games since 1976. If anything, they encourage youngsters to learn more about history, literature, math, and other subjects than any other product. It's all in your imagination - just like when kids play "Cowboys and Indians" outside. Even that is more realistic than any Role Playing Game because the kids go out and about the neighborhood pretending to "shoot" each other with their fingers or toy weapons.

    I doubt seriously that any player is (your quote) "fantasizing about killing, praying to pagan gods, and playing at black magic". In fact, some Psychologists and Psychiatrists have used Role Playing Games to allow their clients to act out their frustrations without harming anyone.

    I'm certain that many people fantasize about being a favorite character from a book, TV show, Movie, or what have you. Considering the state of the modern world, I can empathize with people who want to escape from reality, even if only for a short time.

    Heck - there are many role playing games out there today that have even more of the factors you say are primarily from Dungeons and Dragons. Only one example is sufficient: "The World of Darkness" from White Wolf/Onyx Path has players take on the roles of Vampires, Werewolves, Mages (Magic Users), and several others. But I hear almost nothing about these other games - just for (some reason or other) Dungeons and Dragons.

    I would like to take the time to invite you to go to one of the hundreds, if not thousands, of Friendly Local Game Stores, and come down and watch what we actually do. I'm fairly certain that you would revise your position on this. Check it out for yourself. Do not allow yourself to be swayed by the few negative comments about these games.

    Reverend Bruce Gray

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  81. What a moron, lol. I remember the 80's and D&D well. We were "Demonized" by the media that said the same thing. I'd like to add that a great many people I know that play, are God fearing Christians and think this line of "logic" is definitely flawed to say the least.

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  82. It's funny how you say 'actual demons' like that's a thing.

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  83. If role-playing games turn their players into sex-crazed homicidal maniacs then why do many psychologists encourage role-playing games as a healthy way for patients to express themselves? I've been playing wargdmes since 1966 and rpg's dince 1976 and apart from meeting lots of interesting people and having a great deal of fun its not affected my life at all, or anyone who I am friends with, work with or associate with.
    Oh, I'm a Social Worker by the way...

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  84. Man... if only there was some actual research on RPGs and academic performance. Oh, wait
    http://grogheads.com/featured-posts/3084

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  85. This is hilarious. For a moment. A game of strict rules? No it isn't. Chess is though. The game does require imagination, but then so does this nonsense I just read. Okay well the first paragraph I just read, and by then realised that this guy has no clue about what he's writing and also can't write.

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  86. Hahahaha you are such a dildo. This is all old news, and nobody cares.

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  87. Rehashing the old diatribe like the Chick publishing Dark Dungeons? As a AD&D and D&D player for 36 years I can tell you you are barking up the wrong tree. I haven't killed anyone nor an I likely to.

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  88. The 1980's called. They want their arguments back.

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  89. Playing and writing dnd got me over a helluva addiction.

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  91. The author is a moron with flawed arguments. Clearly he has never played the game and has some agenda of his own in trying to bash it.

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  92. Have you ever played?

    If not, I'm going to have to paraphrase Rothbard on ignorance:

    It is no crime to be ignorant of Role-Playing Games, which is, after all, a specialized hobby and one that most people consider to be a bit eccentric. But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on Role-Playing Games while remaining in this state of ignorance.

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  93. Wow, the author of this blog didn't very much research if at all.

    Fantasy role playing is actually just another method for telling stories. There is no reason magic is mandated to be in the story. While it is most common for D&D to have magic, by no mean is it required. there are even non-fantasy games hitch center around genres like science fiction. There is a well received RPG for Star Trek.

    As for the violence: let's face it.... violence is a major part of human history. The question is what part do the characters play in that violence. Characters could actually play with he role of being hired to defend a town from violent invaders. There is actually a "just war theory" (which was used as a template for the "Day Which Will Live in Infamy" speech). If all of the criteria are met in the scenario, then it can be argued to be a teaching tool,in one respect.

    For a setting I am writing, Imactually found software where I can design my own coat of arms. Now, we are also getting into a bit of understanding real life heraldry.

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  94. The bible is far more dangerous, look at all the evil its fostered in the thousands of years of its use.

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  95. After reading this, I am convinced that you have no actual experience with any of the rules or gameplay of a tabletop RPG. You also don't seem to understand what occultism is, or what pagan mythology is.

    As for the "cult like attitude pervasive amongst the game's players." Uh, the same argument can be applied more accurately to sports fans, TV show fandoms, and political parties.

    Actually, I don't want to be nice today, so here it is:
    You have proven yourself to be an ignorant and delusional buffoon who lacks basic understanding of concepts that should have been instilled during your formative years. The grammar and spelling found in your quote unquote article are atrocious to say the least. Not a single fact was presented among the paragraphs of conjecture that you dribbled out, and seriously, do some homework before making this big of a fool of yourself.

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  96. You comment about D&D but you make an image of Hieronymus Bosch's version of Hell as your page background.... how Christian of you.

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  97. I played D&D when I was a young student. What I believed was an innocent game of make believe became a hellish nightmare that brought my life spiraling down an evil pathway of darkness and despair. I started off playing a wizard, it was fun at first using the many sided dice my game master said I was the best at playing a wizard he has ever seen. My character became stronger and more powerful each time we played. My character and I started to feel as one, my life was the game. My game master notice this and one day asked me if I would like to learn real spells. I was totally excited and agreed eagerly. I was shown how to sacrifice small animals and use their blood to create spells that actually worked. We cast many spell together I became just like my character. But this is where it all went bad. My game master realized I was becoming more of a great spellcaster than he was himself and he could not have that in his Realm. So one Sunday as our group sat down to play D&D, because we played on the days of Sabbath, everything seemed normal. I noticed the thief in the group did not check for traps while going down this hallway and they had me in the lead because I provided light. with an evil laugh the game master let out a cry you have fallen into a trap it is filled with spikes your character dies instantly. I was horrified I couldn't take it anymore my character was gone, I was gone. I spent lonely nights wondering where I went wrong I tried to get back into other groups and no one would have me because I was such a failure. My game master strip me of my Powers I was unable to do magic myself. I've given up and was walking to this bridge that was located outside of town. I carried my D&D book, I was going to throw myself off the bridge. As I stood upon the bridge I hear someone say son God doesn't think that this is a good idea. There was something about his voice that was so magical I can only step down from the bridge. We talked a long time about how Jesus died for my sins and my sins could be washed away no matter how bad they were. Everything this man said made perfect sense about how my life has been turned upside down.... So I went to church with him.... And I was.... Okay I can't keep this shit up any longer, anybody that thinks D&D is really this bad has got to be a dumb ass. I remember this propaganda from the 80s and with all the video games that's going on nowadays I can't believe they're trying to dress this shit back up. Lol

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  98. 8======D~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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  99. You're late. 80s revival is over. 90s is in now. This old stuff was proven to be garbage over three decades ago. Write something original if you're going to take up blog space.

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  100. http://www.skepticfiles.org/religion/d-and-d.htm

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  101. This heralds back to the tele-Evangelical witch hunts that occurred in the 80's. Back when a 'Doctor' of Occult studies, (even though that certificate didn't exist... ANYWHERE!!!), tied tenuous strings of what-ifs, and we could-use-that's, together, in order to attack TSR. If fantasy worlds really bother this author, then he better check his, and his children's entire library, TV viewing selection, and movie choices, forever! Because every aspect that he wrote negatively about, is in any fiction book, or can be applied to all types of fiction work, in some way. I don't know his motives here, but this is ignorant vilification, that is too well directed, aimed with intention, but he's using a sawed off shotgun to shoot at it, and I can just see that buckshot coming back to bite him in the butt...

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    1. BTW... Does anyone else think that Thomas Elder's avatar pic looks like a lawful good paladin?

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    2. A crusader, if you will.

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  102. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ooh, ow my sides hurt...Thanks for the laugh, you clueless ignorant fake "Christian". False propgets like you give real followers of the Way a bad name. Get thee behind me, Satan!

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  103. We did this shit in the 80's. Fuck off.
    Yeah I'm a fucking wizard.
    Yeah, D&D had something to do with that.
    still, Fuck the fuck off.

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  104. I agree but.. religion is involved in way more homicides than D&D. Don't let your kids pray or go to church.

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  105. Brian Hugh Warner used to play D&D when young.

    Today, he's better known as Marilyn Manson.

    DO YOU NEED ANY OTHER PROOF? WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

    :P

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  106. This guy who writes this twaddle is a total douschebag.

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  107. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    *ahem*

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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    1. "I wanna cast...MAGIC MISSILE!"

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-leYc4oC83E

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  109. So, if I play Toon the Cartoon Roleplaying Game, does that mean I am going to eventually think I am a cartoon; assume I can pull anvils out of my pocket; develop a silly catch phrase; and eventually worship the almighty evil that is Bugs Bunny?

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  110. This is one of the cases where my view of D&D is the exact opposite of yours. D&D is a game where you can take on the persona of a pious cleric, or a holy paladin or a fighter of justice against the forces of evil and darkness. Would you rather have these people play first person shooter games instead? "Magic" in the game is a plot device, no more and no less than any other plot device used to move the story along throughout the history of literature, like the sword and armor of King Arthur.

    This is not to say that there is not vile dangerous evil in the world. D&D, however is not it. There is more "evil" lurking behind the horoscope in your daily newspaper than there is in a entire campaign of D&D.

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  111. I remember the horrors and evils of Dungeon and Dragons well (that's why I now play Pathfinder). One game, just one, a new person came to my house to game. It was all good at first. It always is...He touched my dice bag.
    That once incident sent me flying into the darkness of HELL. For the next 17 years I lived, I drowned... I remember well the harrowing, dark, downward spiral of heroin. HARD heroin. So hard I'd have my 6 year old son strap that belt tight around my left arm (I don't know why but it was always the left arm). I remember breaking a wooden spoon for cooking over his head and screaming (when he failed to do the job right one Xmas Eve), "I said TIGHT, BOY. I said TIGHT!!!".
    Yeah, I don't play Dungeons & Dragons anymore.
    I should have known when I saw 2 complete sets of D&D 4.0 in the local chain of used book stores (Mr. K's) less than 7 days of the games release. That part is true.

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  112. Thanks for this information. I've been looking for a simple gateway to occult powers. I'll purchase the game and start playing this weekend. Hail SATAN!

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  113. WARNING: This post, and the blog and profile itself, is a hoax. It was not written by an anti-D&D fundie. In fact it was written by Jacob Bos of the Myd'Realm setting and 5Realm games, (He was the first person to "reply" to yesterday's initial post - 28 minutes after it appeared out of nowhere in the middle of the night.) So, it's a malicious trolling attempt. After Bos was called out on it on Facebook, he continued to lie about it. He started these posts to create clicks for his extremely obscure game company and to gin up anti-Christian fundie reactions. We did a bit of sleuthing on it. You can read more about that on my blog, here: http://saveversusallwands.blogspot.com/2017/11/jacob-bos-of-5realms-is-troll-and-liar.html

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  114. Make sure to write a piece on this particular incident! :D

    https://modenook.com/the-murdersuicide-that-derailed-4th-edition-dungeons-dragons-online

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  115. All this time I could have been summoning demons in real life? My DM sucked.

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  116. hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. Man. Thank you for the comedy post, I need a good laugh at an idiot this morning.

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  117. whew! Good thing I play Pathfinder.

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  118. It's a hoax. See my comment four comments above. I'm writing this comment to test something.

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  119. Let me guess, the next article will focus of the evils of video games and how it will ruin your eyeballs and cause burn in to your tube tv?

    LOL. I figured this was a parody piece because it sounded like something from 1980.

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  120. Bah. Just looking for attention. Probably a lonely little guy

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  121. As a teacher I introduce maybe 60 students to roleplaying every year. A useful tool, a social interaction and an outing for pubers. My daughters are also roleplayers.

    I note that he is a new profile with only this article. He is obviously a prankster, tewriting ignorant rhetoric from the 80's. Truth and evidence have no room in his fantasy article. Doubt we will hear from him again.

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  122. Hi. I’m a Christian Who has played D&D for 40 years. You are an irrelevant idiot.

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  123. Hey ! This is actually a brilliant marketing ploy. This post will only serve to INCREASE interest in and playing & sales of D&D

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  124. My wife thinks D&D is stupid. Amusingly, she thinks the person who wrote this is even more stupid.

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  125. I cast kisseth my rectum on you, be careful I'm a twentieth level magic user.

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  126. All gods are make believe. Some of us just realize this and choose to play in a world where they do more than threaten to send you to hell because they love you.

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  127. Time to add my two cents.
    I was raised in the 80s, when the 'Satanic Panic' was a thing - and it completely missed me since I lived in Canada. D&D was a fun distraction when I got into it. My characters were usually Lawful and Good, tried to help other people, and tried to do what was right.

    There were players more interested in playing Evil. But for me, the entire point was to do what was right by people, oppose the evil forces that were trying to crush everyone, and Be Good. The game itself pretty much presumed you were going to be heroes, and I went along with this.

    When I got into other games, it was still Be Good. In Call of Cthulhu, your entire goal is to keep humanity alive in the face of alien, unspeakable evil. In Marvel, you're playing super heroes, trying to protect the common man. In Top Secret, you're secret agents, protecting your country from foreign spies.

    None of the games... NONE of them... glorified being Evil, none of them pushed for the players to do harmful things.

    I learned about Japanese culture, Celtic culture, Egyptian culture. I learned about other faiths, I learned about different ideals, I learned the importance of heritage, mythology, tradition.

    I didn't learn to be 'evil'.

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  128. This is a troll post written by someone so he could 'find' it and draw attention to it.

    Hoax.

    http://saveversusallwands.blogspot.com.uy/2017/11/jacob-bos-of-5realms-is-troll-and-liar.html

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